Proposed Improvements - Alternative 2 | Mejoras propuestas - Alternativa 2
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Pros: Eliminates critical conflict between Hamilton St. Westbound and Gallatin St., Minimal work - quick implementation, bike accessibility maintained.
Cons: Vehicular traffic patterns altered.
Ventajas: Elimina el conflicto crítico entre Hamilton St. Westbound y Gallatin St., Trabajo mínimo: implementación rápida, se mantiene la accesibilidad para bicicletas.
Desventajas: Se alteraron los patrones de tráfico vehicular.
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Profile of Michael Romero
Posted by:Michael Romero
2 years ago
I appreciate the residents' perspectives who live on this block, and I'm glad for the lively discussion. I live up one block on Gallatin and frequent this stretch, walking and cycling with my young kids. I also have studied multi modal transportation for many years in my career. Here are my two cents:
A dedicated bike lane westbound on Hamilton makes little sense. It's a residential street, and aside from more urban areas like in center DC, you don't often see a dedicated bike lane on a residential street. Especially given the speed control measures proposed in this area, if I understand correctly. My kids and I come down Hamilton on bikes all the time, and we have never had any safety issues.
A dedicated bike lane east bound, contra flow, and between the sidewalk and parallel parking, does make a lot of sense. I always ride the wrong way up Hamilton on my bike because it's less steep / safer than going on 40th/Gallatin. A contra flow bike lane, uphill, doesn't lend itself to cyclists zooming and causing safety issues with pedestrians. And if there is room (and I think there is), the smartest bike lanes have a dedicated car-opening zone separate from the lane itself. I agree with Annalee that the north side doesn't make as much sense as the south side.
I wholeheartedly disagree with redesigning the intersection into roundabout. Obviously, it would take up space from Driskell Park. But, the priority number one for most modern design roundabouts is cars. They inherently are not so safe for pedestrians.
I would think there are smaller scale solutions that, in sum, could lead to a safe environment in this area. For example, a no left turn sign from Hamilton. Also, curb bump-outs to reduce distances for pedestrian crossing. Or, tabling the intersection (raising up the whole intersection to pedestrian level). This is popular in Europe. It makes car drivers innately understand they need to drive more slowly and be more careful.
Profile of Joe Maguire
Posted by:Joe Maguire
2 years ago
Option 2 could be the best option. but I don't see how protected bike lane increases safety over the current configuration. Having bike lane flow in opposite direction from vehicles is terrible idea. Especially as it is proposed to run between the parked vehicles and driveways. The hill in is steep, making it a fun coast for cyclists but this also means that bikes will speed down the hill which creates a number of safety issues along the block and at the intersection. Any change in the direction of the 4000 Block of Hamilton has to include a reverse to the parallel section of Gallatin. It will take residents some getting used to but should not significantly increase the travel time for drivers who live on those blocks. Ideally, this intersection should be a 4 way stop. Closing off access from 4000 block of Hamilton for motor vehicles.
Profile of Jarrod Bailey
Posted by:Jarrod Bailey
2 years ago
Alternative 1: Adding more bike lanes will make the intersection more complex and more difficult to navigate.
Alternative 2: Changing the NE direction of Hamilton St would adversely affect the residents on that block. Adding a counterflow bike lane would increase the complexity of the intersection.
Alternative 3: Adding a traffic circle would cause vehicular traffic to enter the intersection without stopping, making it much more dangerous for pedestrians.
Suggestion A: Add a highly visible stop sign camera to discourage people from running the stop sign on Hamilton and Gallatin.
Suggestion B: Add traffic lights.
Suggestion C: Add a traffic control officer to manage the intersection at peak times.
Profile of Adam Bee
Posted by:Adam Bee
2 years ago
How about blocking off Hamilton entirely to motor vehicles at this intersection? Add some sturdy bollards and re-direct motor vehicles away from the park.
Profile of User 135955
Posted by:User 135955
2 years ago
I like option #2 the most, because it eliminates one of the entry points to the intersection, and it is the entry that is most problematic. If option #3 is chosen, I intend to cease driving through that intersection, and I'm sure many others will as well. There are a lot of drivers who find circles frightening and dangerous, so that option would likely change local traffic patterns about as much as changing the direction of Hamilton for one block in option 2. Option 1 would be a preferable alternative to 3.
Profile of Jig G
Posted by:Jig G
2 years ago
I have no opinion on option 2, I support option 1 and oppose option 3.
Profile of Annalee Seath
Posted by:Annalee Seath
2 years ago
Paul raises another excellent concern about proposal #2. I live on the north side of 4000 Hamilton. We do not have a driveway. We do not have a garage. We do not have an alley. That means our *only* option is street parking.
I also have small children. It is already a bit treacherous getting kids from car to house given inattentive speeding drivers on Hamilton - we have taught our kids to exit the passenger side of our car, directly onto the sidewalk.
The bike lane on the north side of Hamilton in this proposal - between car and sidewalk - makes getting in and out of our cars much MUCH more dangerous. Think parents being forced to stand in the bike lane while buckling kids into their car seats instead of being able to stand on the sidewalk. Think little kids flinging open the car door into the bike lane to bolt up the steps - without looking for oncoming cyclists. Bike lane should NOT be between the sidewalk and cars. Bad bad idea.
Profile of Paul Hrusa
Posted by:Paul Hrusa
2 years ago
I've been living on the 4000 block of Hamilton for almost 20 years so here is my take:
Alternative 1 is feasible. We definitely need more pedestrian-friendly signage at the entrance(s) and perhaps raised walks. Regarding pedestrian safety, there seems to be a mindset that if you are walking or biking and see the park entrance, then it is yours for the taking. I don't think it's too much to ask pedestrians/bikers to take an extra minute of diligence waiting/crossing in that area if needed - what's your rush?
Alternative 2 is no-go. The bike lane will be intersecting the one street-side that has driveways, in effect providing the Werrlein owners two areas of unencumbered parking - street and garage. And rerouting traffic up Hamilton will increase more vehicles splitting the middle of the intersection rather than veering left or right.
Alternative 3 is a fun one. I like the roundabout idea. I do agree perhaps more land can be cut from the park entrance and the nose between Hamilton/Gallatin to make it a bit wider. I think that pronounced roadway architecture at the park entrance will slow down traffic effectively. And pedestrians will just have to approach diligently. Flashing walkways could help.
Profile of Adam Bee
Posted by:Adam Bee
2 years ago
"pedestrians will just have to approach diligently" 😳
Profile of Flawn Williams
Posted by:Flawn Williams
2 years ago
Making the 4000-to-4100 stretch of Hamilton one way eastbound would have profound negative effects on traffic flow in the adjacent neighborhood, as it would leave us with two eastbound streets and no westbound street. Has anyone sought the input of City of Hyattsville and PG County Police officers? These streets are frequently used by both forces, particularly westbound Hamilton. (This situation might be lessened spmewhat once the City force moves to their new location farther west on Hamilton. But it's still taking the intersection from bad to worse.)
Profile of Sean M
Posted by:Sean M
2 years ago
@Flawn Williams "Making the 4000-to-4100 stretch of Hamilton one way eastbound would have profound negative effects on traffic flow in the adjacent neighborhood..."
Completely agree. The proposal (alternative #2) focuses on the Driskel park intersection while completely ignoring the larger context. I'm baffled by the number of "thumbs up" this idea has received.
Profile of Joe Maguire
Posted by:Joe Maguire
2 years ago
@Flawn Williams The hill portion of Gallatin would need to be reversed to make Option 2 work. Feasible
Profile of julie wolf
Posted by:julie wolf
2 years ago
First--you have made it as hard to comment as taking the SAT plus filing taxes. I'm surprised 7 people have made it through the incredibly unintuitive process.
Second. Please DO NOT change the direction of Hamilton Street--what actual purpose would that serve except total confusion?
Please NOT option 2.
